#188 Eva Grace
Haunted by relentless retrospection and emotional turmoil, Eva Grace details how relationships can wreak havoc on the soul in her single, “still cry sometimes.” Lyrical despair and melodic euphoria are woven together as Eva Grace purges the remnants of love lost. “This song is about the feeling of being with a person who was never there for you in the way you needed," says the alt-pop expressionist. "Whether they're out of your life or not, it’s okay to still feel betrayed by this person. The lingering emotions of past pain are valid, but that doesn’t make them any less painful.” Eva Grace’s velvety vocals and electro-pop production create a mystical yet mainstream track that solidifies her status as a pop-essential. After all, DMÜ described the inexplicable entertainer as "one of the most promising alt-pop artists around."
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Rae Leigh: Welcome to a Songwriters Tryst with Eva. Grace. Thanks for joining me.
Eva Grace: Yeah. Thank you so much for having me doing well.
Rae Leigh: I'm good. So I like to start this podcast by getting you in your own words, Eva, tell us a little bit about who you are and where you come from.
Eva Grace: I'm originally from Philadelphia and. Always written music since I was young and took piano lessons
Rae Leigh: I started piano when I was about six as well. What was it that drew you to piano?
Eva Grace: honestly everyone in my family. Played piano while all of the other children in my family, it was just kind of a thing that everyone took lessons. And then I was super into it and stopped taking lessons and just played by ear. And then I would try to play songs that I really liked on the radio. And then ultimately that just led me to writing songs and I always treated the piano, almost like a therapist in the sense of whenever I was going through something, I would always just go to the piano, even when I was really young and I would fall asleep at the piano just like singing what was on my mind or on my heart.
And so that. Stays true till now. Like I, I still do that kind of thing. I don't fall asleep at the piano?
but I feel like my best songs come from piano writing sessions.
Rae Leigh: Yeah. I really struggled with learning instruments, classically, like having to learn, to read music and, you know, learn to play these charts and things where. Yeah. I quickly went to playing by ear and being able to let myself express how I felt through the piano. What was your family like, with music and where were you? You said you had siblings and stuff. Where were you in the scheme of your family and what was it about that writing by ear and expressing yourself through the
Eva Grace: So it actually, wasn't my siblings that played piano. It was like my cousins, they all played and we all have the same piano teacher. And
Rae Leigh: Yeah.
Eva Grace: my family was always very supportive, like of me playing the piano and making songs and everything, but it really wasn't a. A few years ago that I realized how seriously I wanted to take it, because I had always just like played piano for fun. And I never wanted to sing in front of anyone or anything like that. And then I just did a cover of a black bear song a few years ago, and I went to a studio in Philadelphia to record it And I fell in love with the entire process because I recorded all. Different instruments and everything like at the studio.
And I just absolutely fell in love with the process of recording. And then I realized, oh wow, all the songs I write at home, I can do this same process with that I did for this cover song. And then I just kept going to the studio and doing stuff like that and writing songs when I was there. And then eventually worked with other people in different producers and, and yeah, basically the rest is history. Then I just kept doing it.
Rae Leigh: So was it just like a, oh, I can do this. Or was there like a fear around like sharing your own original music publicly? and something changed or, cause I'm just in context, I didn't start singing publicly until I was 30. But I'd been writing songs since I was a little girl as well. And it was such a personal therapeutic thing for me. I'm like, was that, is that sort of what it was like for you? Or was there something else where you just didn't realize it was, it could be.
Eva Grace: Honestly, I just wish I had known. How to produce when I was in like high school. Cause I remember writing So many songs and I used just like my Yamaha keyboard and that keyboard was able to like record only up to four different tracks. So you could like record a chord progression in different drums and stuff on the piano.
And I just had no idea. I just didn't learn. I didn't even know how it would be possible to learn how to produce actual. Music. And then it wasn't until I went to the studio that I even realized it was, just, it was really interesting.
Rae Leigh: Yeah. So do you do production now yourself as well?
Eva Grace: Yeah, I do. I like, co-produced like most of the stuff that I, I work on, there's some songs that I produced just myself and then some that I don't really do much production. And it's interesting because. All of the songs that I'm most excited for just aren't out yet. And the ones that are out are leaning more towards the electronic side, which I don't have as much of a hand in the production. But I do when it comes to more singer songwriters, like emotional stuff.
Rae Leigh: Yeah, no, I get that and like, was there a moment? Cause you said that. you you didn't really. realize this until you're inside the studio, but like we, was there something else that you were gonna do outside of music that all of a sudden that changed? Or like, what was it that made you go? Actually, I want to do this, like as a career, I'm going to pursue a musical career in life.
Eva Grace: It was really that it was really. Cover song. I just, it was the feeling that I got in the studio and making it and creating stuff from scratch. I just absolutely fell in love with it And I've been chasing it ever since. I just, I can't even help it at this point. Like I ha I have.
Rae Leigh: That's awesome. I get that. What, what led you to do the cover song?
Eva Grace: I it's funny. I don't even know. I just wanted something fun to do. And I played the song at home on the piano and I would use garage band at home. But I was not the best at it. And I just thought, oh, okay. I'll just bring this to a studio And make it sound better than this. And then.
Rae Leigh: Yeah.
Eva Grace: And that. was really it. I didn't think too much.
Rae Leigh: Wow. That's really cool. so tell me about your songwriting now and the songs that you are releasing and like still cross some time. What, what is it that you want to portray with the music? What do you want to share with people What do you want them to get out of these music? Cause it's quite emotional. Like it's pretty deep, which is beautiful. I love
Eva Grace: you. Yeah, so basically moving forward with my music. Most of the stuff I have out, doesn't even touch on where I really want to hit people in their hearts, but with the song still cry sometimes. And with a lot of other songs, I really want to talk about certain things that I don't know if it's like not necessarily forbidden topics, but stuff like people might be embarrassed to admit or stuff about like heartbreak. Isn't exactly like the obvious topic, just stuff that you go through that you don't even want to talk about. Like, I want to talk about those things. And ultimately, as an artist, I want to make people dance and I want to make people Cry So those are, those are my favorite. Exactly. Those are my favorite kinds of music. Like either super hard dance music or stuff that you can sing to and cry to. So. That's really what I want people to get out of my
Rae Leigh: Things where you can let out the emotions or you can also just forget about the emotions and just let it out. Yeah. I love that. And that's, I probably I'm so far good at making people cry, not so good at making people dance yet, but
Eva Grace: Well, it's more impressive to make people cry. That's good.
Rae Leigh: yeah, but it is, it's hard. Sometimes for me when I'm creating art, it's a way to, like you said, talk about things that, you know, people don't talk about around the dinner table or some people actually like, you know, when someone dies, a lot of people are like, oh, I don't know how to deal with that. So I'm just gonna like leave and they just, all, they don't say anything and it can be so hard. And yet those are the moments that we need human connection with other people more than anything.
Well, are there like particular topics that that you find really challenging to talk about or you find other people don't want to talk about that you want to express and explore through your music?
Eva Grace: Well, an interesting topic that I actually just wrote a song about this yesterday, and this is a topic I never even thought to turn into a song, but I'm so glad that I did because it's, it's very interesting. So basically I have this thing with. I don't watch
movies. And I, my reason for not watching movies is because I'm such a sensitive person. And I feel so much that even watching a movie makes me feel way more than I want to feel, because I feel so much or on a daily basis, like through music and through just living that I just don't desire to feel other people's emotions in a movie. I know it sounds absurd, but
Rae Leigh: No, I get that. You're very sensitive.
Eva Grace: and particularly with like happy movies, like romantic ones. I don't want to watch that. because I don't want to watch this magical fairytale that I'm not experiencing in real life.
Rae Leigh: Hmm.
Eva Grace: I,
Rae Leigh: so mature.
Eva Grace: I wrote, I wrote this song it's called I don't go to the moon. And this is one of my favorite songs I've done yet. But it really just touches on watching other people live your dream and, and it hurt. It kills you inside. So you don't even want to put yourself in that position. Like the song starts with me saying I threw out my TV cause so it's just, it's a very dramatic way of saying like I can't watch other people live my ideal scenario.
Rae Leigh: Wow. How did he get to that? Cause like I I actually, I don't watch a lot of tV and before I met my husband, I didn't have a TV. Like the only time I'd really watch anything was if I was really sick and I just had to be bedridden and I'd find something to like entertain me, but Yeah, I I've always had a weak connection to it. And my husband, he, he sees movies and he loves watching the creative art of people, putting those stories together. And so like, I have a different appreciation for it now. And it's something that I've learned to love with him, but what is it about for you? How did, when did you realize this was something that wasn't good for you and what was it that was like, actually, I need to separate myself from these fantasies because essentially that's what you're saying. They are, it's a fantasy that is not helping you. How did you get to that conclusion? Cause that's that's a very insightful, mature self-disciplined boundary to set in your life.
Eva Grace: well, I feel like I must have realized. Maybe four or five years ago. I just, it's just the feeling I get when I watch movies and watch these love stories that are so intense. And of course, everyone desires a deep love in their life.
And it just, I don't even know if it makes me jealous. It just makes me sad that I don't have it. So maybe at some point in my life when I have a deep, amazing love, maybe I. Enjoy watching movies like that, but as
Rae Leigh: Have you ever been in love though?
Eva Grace: absolutely.
Rae Leigh: you've ever been in love? Yeah, it's not like the fairytale is in the movie.
Eva Grace: I think aspects of it where, well, I think also I want to note that I'm not saying that these movies are necessarily unrealistic. I'm saying that it just doesn't match my life right now, so I don't want to.
Rae Leigh: I think they're unrealistic,
Eva Grace: Well, a lot, a lot of them are absolutely, but I'm not, I'm not necessarily. Yeah, but I'm not necessarily only talking about that.
I'm talking about even where it's just like a healthy love that you're seeing on TV. It's like oh, that stings a little cause.
Rae Leigh: yeah. Look, I hope that you do find that, but I I'm a big believer that I think maybe. You know, the Hollywood picture of romance and relationship, maybe glosses over how
Eva Grace: Absolutely. And people give up too easily.
Rae Leigh: yeah, just because something's hard doesn't mean it's not worth it. I actually think that the thing, the harder it is the probably the more it's worth putting in the effort.
But yeah, my like my husband and I have a greatest advice that we were ever given was as long as both of you are leaning towards each other and working on it, you'll be fine. It's as soon as one person gives up you can't have a relationship where any one person's working on it, you both have to want
Eva Grace: absolutely.
Rae Leigh: And as soon as one person doesn't want it anymore, then yeah, it's over because that's not what a relationship is. It takes two to tango, as they
Eva Grace: Yeah.
Rae Leigh: So that's that's really cool. And like, I mean, that might just be for now, you know, for you and setting healthy discipline boundaries in one's life is just that I think it's healthy and being self-aware of where you're at. And that you've written a movie, a song about it, and that's, you know, capturing this moment of your life and how it feels for you right now. And in 10 years time, you may have that perfect love and be like, oh, I don't feel that way anymore, but you'll always remember how it did make you feel because you've written that song.
Eva Grace: That's what's so beautiful. Oh, go ahead. Go ahead.
Rae Leigh: Yeah, no, no, no. That's great. That's, what's so beautiful
Eva Grace: I was just going to say that's, what's so beautiful about writing a song in a specific. Period of your life, where you know that feeling isn't going to last forever. It's really like a time capsule for that emotion. And it's awesome. Listening back to songs I wrote even a couple of years ago, cause I was in a different place mentally. And just like, what I was thinking about then is not what. I'm thinking about now, but it's, it's cool. Being able to have like a, an auditory scrappy.
Rae Leigh: Yeah. Yeah. That's I was going to say that cause that's exactly the same thing. I feel and all artists like amazing artists that you go back and look, and they've got, you know, 10 albums throughout their entire life and they have their breakup albums, and then they have their I'm in love albums. And then they have, I'm a mother album or a dad album, you know, and it's like, it is, it's like a document of their
Eva Grace: Yeah.
Rae Leigh: life. If they're sort of a true artist and that they're following their artistic creativity as beautiful. What, what is it about songwriting for you? Draws you in, is there something that, do you like to co-write? Do you like to write by yourself? do you do a mix of both?
Eva Grace: This is such a relevant question because my whole time I've been writing the past, like three years. I. Such a, I want to write the whole thing, myself kind of person, because I don't know. It's weird. It's almost like,
I don't feel like it's genuine if someone else thought of even a part of it so that's how I've been for a while. But this, the reason I'm saying it's irrelevant is because just this past week I came out to LA I'm here right now and to work with other people, like as far as writers and I'm working, I'm just with this one person, her name's Maddie, and she's amazing. And it's, it's really been an awesome experience writing with someone else, particularly a girl because all the people I've ever worked with so far have been male and.
So much as the music industry is predominantly male. And so it was awesome getting to work with a girl who not only is it from a female perspective, but she and I seem to think very similarly, and it was just cool being able to bounce ideas off of one another. And I actually wrote that movie song with her.
So, and it was cool because she actually feels very similarly about watching movies. So we were just too sensitive girls writing songs.
Rae Leigh: I liked that though. And I liked that it's two women and I completely agree with you. I think that it's, it is still
Eva Grace: Yeah,
Rae Leigh: Male dominated. And it's funny. Cause a lot of people, I don't think are very aware of how male dominated the industry is. Like I think this lots of females out there wanting to be singers and artists and there's lots of men out there wanting to be artists because we're, we're all human and we're all there are creative beings, but the industry just like every other industry. You know, that's coming into the new world that we're living in. It's such a hard transition for the industry and the business side of things to be change, to not being So male focused. So yeah, it's nice to sort of see women getting together and supporting each other.
Eva Grace: I so agree.
Rae Leigh: that we need to do that
Eva Grace: And particularly in the production space, I mean, not many, I mean, there's a lot of female producers, but I mean, there's way more male produce. So when I come into contact with a female producer where like we vibe really well, I just cannot wait for that.
Rae Leigh: Yeah. Do you know, I actually, haven't worked with a female producer.
Eva Grace: Yeah.
Rae Leigh: for lack of availability in my local area. But yeah, speaking of that makes me kind of want to think maybe I should go and find myself a famous producer and just see what that experience is like. yeah,
no, that's really cool. So with the three years that you've done and like, was there something that kind of prompted you to start working in, coming out to LA and working with other.
Eva Grace: Really just wanting to hone in on my sound because right now, the stuff that I have out, as I said before, leans towards the electronic sound and what's genuine to me I mean, I'm a girl. Who sings at her piano at heart, like, and I love indie music and coming of age kind of stuff. And I really want my sound to evolve into that. And I mean, I love dance music. I still want to put out some dance songs, but I want to be known for what's for what's on my heart, rather than just more surface level dance songs. So I'm sorry, what was even the question?
Rae Leigh: No, I like that. No, I I was talking about like, w what was it that prompted you to come out and work with people and challenge yourself in that
Eva Grace: oh yeah, I
Rae Leigh: when it's something you're not used to.
Eva Grace: I just wanted to expand it. I mean, I'm really in, a season of, of trying to write every single, I mean, I am writing every single day and I just want to keep getting better and better. And I mean, the best way to get better quicker is to be around people that are better than you. So I think.
Rae Leigh: Right.
Eva Grace: I just really want to keep expanding my songwriting skills and, and yeah, that's really what prompted me to come on.
Rae Leigh: That's awesome. And hopefully you find it. Something that's going to help you evolve and,
grow into the woman that you obviously are as an artist. And I kind of, I can hear it. I just want to.
hear like an acoustic piano album of like heartfelt songs that you've. At the piano. I think that'd be really cool. I'd love to do something
Eva Grace: Yeah.
Rae Leigh: That'd be beautiful. I know the industry, people were like, if I went to someone and said that in like to a business manager, be like, oh, how do we market it and all this other stuff? And it's like, yeah, but that's, if that's what you want to do, sometimes you just got to follow your heart and see
Eva Grace: Well, and that's so interesting because I feel like what's been happening the past like year and a half with me is that I put out a song for fun. It's called ghost. It's called goes like and then in parentheses do do do, and that song did so well on Tik TOK and kids created a dance to it and it blew up and in the anime community in particular. And it was so not on purpose at all. And then all of a sudden I was like, oh, I guess this is what people want to hear for me. Like, I should make more.
And so I went through this whole phase. I didn't like release all of it but this whole phase of making songs, very similar to that and thinking like, okay, I'm going to put out all these.
And this is like, this is what my fan base wants to hear. And then I wouldn't put the songs out and I kept not acting on these things. And, and I wasn't realizing the true reason. And now year and a half later, it's because. It didn't feel genuine to me. And some of the songs I've even put out don't necessarily feel genuine to me.
I just felt like, And this is so interesting too. I was just thinking how it's easier sometimes for me to release songs that I feel like, are complete, but not necessarily true to me because it's no pressure. It's like, oh, okay. Like this didn't really mean anything to me. Put it out. I don't care what happens,
but. Now I want to put out stuff that really truly means something to me and not care what happens. because it's true to me. I'm not sure if I'm making complete sense, but
Rae Leigh: Well, someone told me once a year, like, you've got to love what you do, because like you said what was it? It was like a business music course. And they said, you have to love it. At least when you release it, you have to love it because at the end of the day, if you don't love it, when you release it, then you know, that's going to be painful in itself. But if that song does blow up and becomes like, you know, a number
Eva Grace: people expect to hear that from you,
Rae Leigh: People want to hear that from you and you'll be stuck seeing that song for 50 years. And like, obviously anyone's going to get sick of any song and to get youth Keith Urban's, who finds new ways of performing the same music every single time he performs.
But yeah, if you, if you don't love it, like that's a risk that you're creating a life for yourself, doing something you don't love and music and art is not that type of an industry. You've got
Eva Grace: You absolutely do with all the crap you have to go through, you have to love it.
Rae Leigh: So I like you just don't know what's going to happen once you release a song. It's not your song anymore. Once it's released.
Eva Grace: it really becomes the listener song.
Rae Leigh: It's but it is one of those things that like, you hear that happening when people just release music, like your song, and then it ends up being kind of bigger than what you thought it would be, but you're just having fun. And maybe that's the,
Eva Grace: We'll see, that comes through. People can feel. Feel the energy that you have of like, you have no expectation, you were having fun and people can like feel that. And I guess the universe thrives on when you don't have any expectations.
Rae Leigh: Maybe we should use that as inspiration for future music that we both release. Just make sure we're having
Eva Grace: but I don't know about having no expectations. That's hard.
Rae Leigh: It is hard. Tell me, what do you think is the greatest advice that you've ever received in the few years you've been doing this?
Eva Grace: if it doesn't make you feel something, then it's probably not going to make someone else feel something. But if it makes you feel something, then who cares what anyone else thinks, because if it can make you feel something, then there's a chance, at least one other person out there it'll resonate with them as well. I would say that.
Rae Leigh: That's really, really good advice. And yeah, who cares? What other people think or say, if you like
it, that is the most important thing. And then you can be proud of what you've done, no matter what anyone else says, if you're happy with it and it makes you feel good. Go for it. Okay. And if you could go back in time to when you first started out after everything that you've done so far and give yourself one piece of advice, something you wish maybe you had have known a bit earlier, what would you, what would you say.
Eva Grace: Have songs finished and ready to go. In case a song of yours is doing really well because follow up songs are really important to maintain momentum.
Rae Leigh: That's really good advice and it's hard. Isn't it
Eva Grace: It is hard.
Rae Leigh: to, to plan for that. And that's something I've, I've talked to a few people about on this podcast where they've released a song and it's done really well. And then it's taken them a year to release another
Eva Grace: Wow.
Rae Leigh: And then they've lost the momentum from that first one. And they're kind of having to start from scratch again. Yeah. It's a hard lesson to learn, but it's also really expensive to be constantly producing music.
Like. As an independent artist, I'm constantly having to do grant applications and fundraising and going out and doing gigs to try and just raise enough money just to record another song. It's like it's it's, not something that we do for the money.
Eva Grace: Absolutely. Do you record, you got into a studio.
Rae Leigh: Yeah, I'd probably say 50 50 so far. I have a home studio and then I've collaborated with studios in other countries and just sent my role audio files and they've mixed and mastered over them. and then I've been like, I've done an EAP and a few other singles where I've actually been in someone else's studio and I've recorded all my stuff there. But it's.
Eva Grace: Oh, god.
Rae Leigh: Ah, like for recording. It's interesting. Cause everyone's different. Like I've been in studios where I feel like maybe I could have done a better vocal take, but I felt under time
and so it was kind of rushed. It was still good. And obviously, you know, they can fix things up so you don't have to sing things a million times to get them perfectly.
But I. I feel like when I'm at home by myself and I've got all my own pretty decent audio recordings set up at home, I feel like I get to keep going until I'm happy that, and there's no pressure. And so I can take the time to get into that emotional state of being like, I'm feeling it when I'm seeing it.
And I'm not having to think about everyone else. Yeah. Yeah. So like I have a song that I really like, you know, that's, you know, you have songs that like resonate with you the most versus other ones that like, I don't know. Yeah. So I have a song called all of me that was literally like recorded in, in like a closet. like and then, and then, you know, it was mastered overseas in like Romania and stuff, and it's just a Christic guitars, lay it on each other with vocals. Also layered and it's, so it's very simple.
But I think because I was in a place where there was absolutely no time pressure I had, I felt free to like get into an emotional state with my, when I was singing and the vocals, like, just more authentic and raw versus when I'm in a studio and I'm trying to get through six songs and, you know, I don't want to I'm, I'm, I'm consciously aware of feeling like I'm taking up someone else's time and
Eva Grace: Absolutely. and it's so different when you're able to escape into one song versus thinking about so many different things like, oh, I gotta make sure I don't spend too long on this so I can have enough time to do that. It's so different.
Rae Leigh: Yeah, it's silly. Isn't it? I wonder if guys have the same feelings, I don't know about you, but like, my female experience in life is like, I feel like I take up space and that, like, I'm not worthy of taking up space and time in other people's lives. It's like a, I think it's a worthiness issue, like emotional issue that I need to deal with. But when I talk to other women, I feel like it's not just me. I feel like it is a feminine trait that where people pleases and we're always trying to make other people happy and make ourselves feel small. So we're not taking up too much
Eva Grace: Exactly.
Rae Leigh: and. I feel like that when I'm in a studio with men. So that's why I'm, like I said, I've always been in serious with men.
A wonderful it'd be different if I went into like a studio with a female. And who was maybe aware
Eva Grace: What an interesting point. I feel like it must feel different.
Rae Leigh: Yeah. I don't know. Even writing, I haven't done that much. Co-writing with just women. It's usually been like maybe another woman and a guy there's always been like a guy present. Unless it's obviously just me, but yeah, I haven't actually thought about that much until just now. So it's interesting. Tell me as far as inspirations for you and people that you yeah, I have inspired you as an artist and a singer and a musician. If you could collaborate with anyone in the world, dead or alive, who would it be and why?
Eva Grace: I mean, it doesn't really fit with my current brand. I would love to collaborate with Kevin Park. Of tame, Impala. I mean, that's my dream, but it doesn't really fit with my music, but that would be unreal. So I'm just going to say Kevin Parker,
Rae Leigh: W what is it about Kevin Parker that like, w what do you think it is? It kind of draws you into him.
Eva Grace: the psychedelic tones of everything that he does. yeah. The guitars And the drums, particularly the drums, I would just love for him to do drums on a song of mine. Yeah. And his melodies, I don't know everything. I'm
such a tame Impala fan, so it would just be sick to be able to be in the studio with him and, and get to go back and forth about production stuff. And I just think it's so sick that he like does everything in.
Rae Leigh: Yeah. I don't know. I, I think it would, if I wanted to do everything myself would take me like 10 years to do my next single.
Eva Grace: Oh, my gosh. I know. Or the only way I could do everything myself is? if there weren't like, if It was just me and piano.
Rae Leigh: Yeah, it was just really simple and basic, but even mixing and mastering all that stuff. It's just such a skill that people just obviously get so good at. Yeah. It's, It's, its own art form, but it's that that's, what's beautiful about working on a project. I like, I actually love having other people. You know, and projects. I think because then it's like, when something does really well, like the comedy song, for example, it's like, there's like a list of 15 people that all get to say they were a part of that in some way, shape or form. And they all get to celebrate the number one and you know, it's not just, oh, yay. I did
Eva Grace: Oh, that's.
Rae Leigh: it's, it's a team effort And it's
nice. Cool. So what, what is coming up for you? You're you're in LA you're working. What, what can people expect to, get from you? If they go follow you on social? I'm going to put all your links in the description of the podcast and on the website songwritertrysts.com, but what, what can people expect? You got shows you've got more recording.
Eva Grace: I feel like since I started seriously pursuing music, Slowly, but surely straight away from what's at my core, which is me at the piano. And I just want to say people can expect me going back to that and posting a bunch of videos of me at the piano, because it's like, now that I've had a small amount of success, I'm like, Ooh, I don't know.
The people want to see me at the piano. Like, is that interesting? And I'm at the point where I'm telling myself to shut up and just do what's true to me. So people can expect lots of videos of me making music, and I'm hoping to release some stuff in a couple months. I'm just trying to finalize like what what exactly I'm going to be releasing the rest of the year, but people can expect to feel something for.
Rae Leigh: That's awesome. I'm excited to say that. I
love that. Like I love putting up, I'm the type of person that I'll write a song and then I'll
post it straight away and I'll be like, what do you think of this?
Eva Grace: Oh, that's
Rae Leigh: But yeah, I mean, you just got to feel it and put it out there and you never know, but it's also a really good, for me, especially Like you know, the amount of time and effort and thousands of dollars that goes behind releasing this. Sometimes it's nice to be like, well, I love it, but does anyone else love it enough? And is
it worth it worth spending that money and time and effort making it better and really seeing it? And sometimes it matters and sometimes it doesn't matter, but I'm getting a bit of social feedback from someone else. Online is nice.
Eva Grace: absolutely. That's interesting too, because someone was telling me that it's good to post a
bunch of different songs that you've created and then see like what people respond to the most on social media and then kind of use that. But I don't know, I just, I'm in such a moment right now where I don't really want to care about external validation.
Like I want to post post stuff and share myself with the world. I really just want to release. What's true to my heart.
Rae Leigh: Yeah. you got to listen to your, your body. And if you're feeling vulnerable in some of the things that you want to do, wait until it's exactly how you. You know, and maybe that means you need to go through the whole recording process and just release it and not give anyone else the chance to say
Eva Grace: Yeah.
Rae Leigh: because if you think that might sway you and that you're feeling vulnerable in that side of where you're at at the moment, that's also, again, that's a healthy boundary to set for yourself emotionally. And that's matured. We can all learn to be more emotionally aware and reflective on how we are and what we can cope with and what we can't cope with with watching movies or what we share with people. And when we share it being aware of what you're actually looking for and what your vulnerabilities are, is So important. And it sounds like you have a really healthy relationship with yourself in that way. Like how did you get to that point? Cause that is a very mature. To be, was this something that stimulated that sort of emotional growth in yourself?
Eva Grace: About the movie thing in particular or.
Rae Leigh: You're just being so aware of yourself. Is it just a natural sensitivity that you think you have, or is it something that you've developed as you've
Eva Grace: I think the personality types that I grew up around, I just always had to be very aware of everything around me that doesn't have to do with me. So I
became very aware of like how I come off in any moment. Naturally, I feel like I've always been pretty self-aware, but over the last few years, especially with the pandemic, I feel like I got to know myself extremely well and, and know who I am and know what I want and
everything. So I don't, I don't really know. I, yeah.
Rae Leigh: That's really good. I actually sometimes it's really hard to know who you are and what you want, and sometimes it's easier to work out what you don't want than it is to work out what you do on just as hard.
Well, thank you very much for jumping on and spending this time with me and talking to me. Everything that you're doing. And, and how you got to where you are at the moment and what's coming. It sounds exciting. And I love it. I can't wait to support you and look forward to seeing some of this more raw singer songwriter stuff coming out. Is there anything you'd like to say before we finish up?
Eva Grace: Well, thank you so much for having me and to anyone listening. If you got this far, thank you so much for listening. You can find me on any of the streaming platforms that eva grace and on all the socials that I'm Eva grace, and yeah. Thank you so much for having me. It was so nice having this conversation. It really did flow just like we were about to write a song together.
Rae Leigh: Yeah, maybe we will get to do that one day. Thank you very much, Ava. Yeah, wishing you all the best and yeah.
Eva Grace: And same to you. Congratulations again about your country. Hit.
Rae Leigh: Thank you.
