#137 Rachael Fahim

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Rachael Fahim has been Australia’s most streamed female country artist for the last three years, with over 10 million streams to date, of tracks from her 2019 EP release Iconic.

The 2017 Toyota Star Maker winner and CMC Music Award nominee was recently the Australian feature artist for Apple Music’s globally promoted Countrywide initiative and an ‘Artist To Watch’ on Spotify.

The Iconic EP’s first single ‘Brake Lights’ went all the way to #1 on the TMN national country airplay chart and also featured radio faves ‘What I Don’t Know’ and ‘Crush.’

While ‘Even If I Wanted To’ featuring Brad Cox achieved major city pop radio support in addition to across the board country radio airplay.

Her latest single 'Middle Ground' spent five weeks at #1 on the Australian Country Airplay chart across December 2020 and February 2021!

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Transcript

Rae Leigh: Welcome to Songwriter Trysts with Rachael Fahim. Nope. Rachel Fahim How you doing?

Rachael Fahim: I'm doing? great. How are you? 

Rae Leigh: Good. So we're going to get to know you as a songwriter and an artist, and learn a little bit about you. The first thing I like to get everyone to do is start off by telling us a little bit about who you are and where you come from.

Rachael Fahim: So like you just said, my name is Rachel Fahim. I am an Ozzie country artists, so I guess I didn't really start in the country scene. I started out in a bit more of the pop Covers same when I was growing up. And yeah, kind of just fell into country when I was about 14, 15 years old.

So the rest is history. 

Rae Leigh: Wow. So how, how did you fall into that when you were 14, 15 years old? Where did even music start for you? Like how does 

Rachael Fahim: Yes. So when I was about eight years old, I started singing and I was doing talent quests, and I was doing, I don't know, a whole bunch of live performances, all around Sydney, where I live. It was really funny because everywhere I went, people would always say, oh, you sound so country. Your voice is so country.

And I was always like, no, I don't want to do country. Like, why are you saying, like, I was 

Rae Leigh: seaward. 

Rachael Fahim: I was very anti, like anti country, which is really funny now because it's all I listened to, but I decided that one day I was going to listen to some people that were constantly telling me to sing a country song, one of the talent quests I was doing.

And I ended up winning that talent quest. And It was the first one that I'd want like of this series. I was like, oh, that's interesting. So I did a bit more research and I found a few old country artists that I liked. Cause at that point I Was, still being introduced to. Like the whole world of country, really. I started off with Leanne rhymes and like Carrie Underwood and all of, all of those types of strong female artists that are amazing. I kept on with the country theme and I ended up, just 

not going away from It like sticking with it. 

Rae Leigh: yeah. It just stuck. 

Rachael Fahim: it did. But it was great because I think without the people that were saying your voice is really 

country, I don't think I would have actually done it myself and like delved in.

Rae Leigh: yeah. Okay. And what was it about music, um, that, you know, that's made you go? Cause there's a big difference between being a kid and just enjoying music. Cause like a lot of people do music in high school. Then there's like the us crazy ones who go, no, I want to do this for the rest of my life and make a career out of this.

What was that journey like for you? Was that a decision or was it just something that you were always going to do?

Rachael Fahim: I think it's just been something that has kind of been a no brainer for me. And I'm sure you can understand that when it's in your blood, you can't really, it's not really a decision. Like you just do it. Like, you know, I've had backup plans in the past. Like, you know, if music doesn't work out, I can go work in a cafe or in an office, but like I've done that and it's so boring and it's just monotonous just hate it.

So I've decided that. Well, it's not, it hasn't even really been a decision. It's just the other, the other bits and pieces that have just been there to support me financially, I guess, on the, on the way up. And, you know, on my journey, they've just kind of fallen off and music has always just been the thing That's stuck and that I've just kept on with.

Um, I know we're crazy because 

Rae Leigh: It's insane. 

Rachael Fahim: is a thing. Yeah. 

Rae Leigh: I should come up with like a specific diagnosis for artists. Like

Rachael Fahim: we should maybe come up with a little word ourselves.

Rae Leigh: you, something that just scarves crazy and autistic. What about like your journey as an artist and who you've become as a songwriter? What is, or what has been your goal and your journey into what sort of music you're putting out there and what sort of, what is Rachel in your music that your fans can recognize?

Rachael Fahim: At the moment. It's really interesting because half the songs I've released have been songs that I've written and the other half have been songs, but other songwriters that have been pitched and I've accepted. So as far as the story of my journey and that side of things, it is Really interesting to look back at the songs that I've released because. Although I haven't written a written than they do tell a bit of a story about where I have been in relationships or in life. So it is really interesting, looking at the songs that I've released and seeing a bit of a pattern with like breakup songs, for example, which is something that I've noticed that I do tend to gravitate towards because I'm single and I have had my heart broken and I've been through, you know, some Really? I'm going to say traumatic relationships. Because I don't know. They've I feel like I've gone through a bit of a hard time with most of them, which is why I'm still single. Yeah.

Rae Leigh: Can you give us an example? Like what, what happened in those? Like what made it so traumatic? 

Rachael Fahim: Yeah.

There was one, one guy I dated, um, was very verbally abusive and I just, I left that relationship. I ended it, so I was really proud of myself for doing that but the songs that I wrote and released after that relationship, definitely tell a bit of a story, whether I've written them or not.

Hopefully like when people listen to the songs that I release, they, I don't know. I feel like heartbreak is such a, it's such a relatable thing and I've kind of put myself up for being, I guess, Uh, artists that always releases the heartbreak stuff in my unit. Anyway, I'm like, do I want to keep on this path? Yes. 

Rae Leigh: Yeah. 

Rachael Fahim: maybe change paths? So big decisions to make. Um, but that's currently where I'm at right now. And I 

Rae Leigh: Yeah. 

Rachael Fahim: that the songs I'm releasing reflect the journey of them.

Rae Leigh: Yeah. And I'm sure that once you meet, you know, Mr right, or Mrs right. Or whatever, um, 

Rachael Fahim: Mr. Wright, for me. 

Rae Leigh: the, you know, your songs will evolve at that stage. And, we see that with other artists, they, you know, fall in love and get married. And they're always there music at that time in their life reflect that.

And then they have a child and, or they become a parent or something like that. And then the music reflects that. And it's interesting and so beautiful to see someone's life evolve through the music. And that's absolutely beautiful because that's what we relate to. 

Rachael Fahim: Yeah. There's been so many artists that I've been listening to like Maddie and Tae and Dan and Shay, like both great country artists in the us, and watching them move on with their lives and see how their music has changed because I've followed them both from the beginning of their country careers. 

Rae Leigh: Awesome. 

Rachael Fahim: So, yeah. Hopefully people can follow mine and relate to any future songs about happiness and love that I relate as well as the heartbreak ones that I'm currently doing. 

Rae Leigh: well yeah, we hope that that does come down the track as well. 

Rachael Fahim: Hopefully one day.

Rae Leigh: Okay. So what's been your experience, cause I know that you won the tour to start back here in 2017. Um, and you, you know, you do the southbound project. Is that something that you're going to continue sort of pushing forward in the future?

Or what, what are your goals for the future of your musical and songwriting life?

Rachael Fahim: For me, it's always been about my solo career. So it's always been about, Rachel fire him and, and what's going on in that area of my career. Southbound project was a side project. Um, and it's been great because we've had so much success with our first couple of singles.

We've had, I think two number ones, maybe three. I can't really remember off the top of my head and we've conquered some really great goals. Like we've got some great achievements. But I think in the end, my goal and my priority has always been the rage thing. Yeah.

So, uh, just, Yeah. love it. It's great to be able to focus on multiple different things at once, but rachel is number one. 

Rae Leigh: Yeah. It's definitely a good experience to work with other people and to collaborate as well and see what you can do and what you can learn from those experiences. And some people work better in a team or a band or with a group and other people are quite okay with being individual. And it's great that you can do both. I think that that's really 

Rachael Fahim: Thank you. Yes, it's pretty awesome.

Rae Leigh: What has been, have you done much? Co-writing 

Rachael Fahim: I have, yes, I've been really trying to delve more into it at the moment. And I hate saying this other dreaded C word. 

Rae Leigh: Hmm. 

Rachael Fahim: but like, it's just, it's so hard to stay motivated right now. I've been really, really, really trying to do a lot more co-writing um, 

Rae Leigh: Yep.

Rachael Fahim: but it's Yeah. it's a thing. It's a thing.

Rae Leigh: Yeah. Is it, is it because it's the motivation because of the current lockdown 

Rachael Fahim: yeah and I don't know about you, but I struggle on Zoom I just feel like there's no vibe. And I just, I don't know. I like to be able to really be in the moment and bounce ideas off people while I'm sitting next to them. I was talking to another artist the other week and this artist is really successful.

And he was saying that, songwriting session kind of almost need to talk over each other. Like it's, it's a very crazy environment and it does it. You can't do the same thing on zoom. 

Rae Leigh: Hmm. 

Rachael Fahim: so Yeah, at the moment, I haven't really been doing too many co-writes. 

Rae Leigh: Yep. 

Rachael Fahim: But over the last year, I attended a camp in January, and wrote my next single, which is if I'm, if I can say so myself, it's probably my best single yet.

I'm so excited to get this one out. Like it's just, it's got such a cool vibe. Um, but yeah, 

Rae Leigh: that was co-written 

Rachael Fahim: it was, yeah. Yeah, it was, um,

Rae Leigh: the code?

Rachael Fahim: it's called 

Rae Leigh: Are you allowed to say, what is 

Rachael Fahim: the dark. Yes. Darts in the dark. 

Rae Leigh: Datsun? Ah, 

Rachael Fahim: Yeah, Sounds sounds edgy. 

Rae Leigh: Yeah, it does a little bit.

Rachael Fahim: Yeah. 

Rae Leigh: And so that was co-written 

Rachael Fahim: it was, 

Rae Leigh: at the camp. 

Rachael Fahim: yeah, it was called country goes pop at the camp.

in January. Um, it was such an awesome, awesome week. We wrote lots of 

Rae Leigh: was that held? 

Rachael Fahim: It was in Sydney at Ralph street studios. Um, whereabouts are you based actually.

Rae Leigh: I'm in the gold

Rachael Fahim: Oh, awesome. Okay. Yeah. Cool. 

Rae Leigh: from victoria, but, um, got good place to be at the moment, Queensland. 

Rachael Fahim: Yes. Can I come join you? 

Rae Leigh: anytime. 

Rachael Fahim: Yeah. so it's in, it's in Sydney, but we had a bunch of artists come down from Queensland. Cause there's a lot of, a lot of great talented writers there and all over Australia, actually. 

Rae Leigh: Yeah. 

Rachael Fahim: so Yeah. so the song was written there. And then I've just from that, because I made so many connections.

I just tried to stay in touch with everyone and I really wanted to get to Melbourne, and do some writing there, but cannot, cannot go such a data such. 

Rae Leigh: and yeah, it is, it is hard and it's hard to adapt. I really liked that energy in the room as well. I dunno if you've been to Nashville or if you've been to in Tamworth or any, any sort of retreats and things where you get to be in the room with people and, you know, people have got guitars and paper and.

Putting pen to paper. Like I'm so old school that way, but I have been trying to adjust. And I think, with the whole online thing, I have been noticing my, my most successful two ways to co-write online with someone is one to either do it bit by bit. So like do a Google docs. I'll spend some time on it, then I'll shoot it off to them and like, let them see what they do and then shoot it back and go back and forth that way.

Or actually have like a backing track that we write To this one professional writer from Nashville. He had three tracks that we wouldn't be able to use, but we could write two and then get the, tracks redone for a demo. Um, and that way we could all listen to the track and we wrote two that was just top lined it.

And that was easy because then you didn't have to have a guitar, you know? 

Rachael Fahim: Yeah. I feel like that's probably the smarter way to do it. Cause the other day I kind of did a similar thing. And it's funny that you say that now. Cause I'm like, that's kind of what I did. , I was doing a writing session last Friday, and the guy that I was riding with, he had a track sent to him from another producer.

So. Had the track on our phones. And we were on our computers, like doing the, doing FaceTime. 

Rae Leigh: Yep.

Rachael Fahim: And anytime we had an idea, we just mute ourselves and use the phone and listen to the track so I can see how that would work. But it's just hard. Maybe getting the track sorted before you ride, because that's part of the fun as well.

So I guess as many different ways you can do it. 

Rae Leigh: Yeah, it 

just depends on, I guess what you've got available and what your skill set is and what your strengths are like. If you're the co-writer that usually always plays the guitar and comes up with the riffs and the melodies, that's probably not going to work for you. Um, 

Rachael Fahim: See, I'm more a lyric person. 

Rae Leigh: Oh nice. I'm actually usually more than melody person.

Um, but even harmonizing to someone else's like, if someone gives me a, I can top line as well, but, um, I like coming up with the hooks in the melody and the idea for the song as well. 

Rachael Fahim: I love that That's 

Rae Leigh: having that storyline anyway. All right. What's the best advice that you've ever been given in this industry? 

Rachael Fahim: Who that is a good. question. So I was told this piece of advice years ago, and it's just kind of stuck with me. And now it's the piece of advice that I give out to people when they ask me, what piece of advice would you give? I guess the piece of advice is to always trust your gut and trust yourself. whether that be, you know, in a management situation or a legal situation or a songwriting, like any type of situation where you find yourself questioning, what should I do? Just like, listen to your gut because 99.9999, 9% of the time you are correct. 

Rae Leigh: Yeah, 

Rachael Fahim: And you know, I've, I've definitely learned to listen to that little voice in the back of my head that is like, mm, this looks slimy. Um, steer clear 

Rae Leigh: really good thing to do. And that's not easy. Um, 

Rachael Fahim: It's really 

Rae Leigh: as women, especially, I don't know about you, but, that took me a long time to learn that it's okay. To listen to my own body. And like, even, even if there's no logical reason as to why you feel that way, it's like everything looks right on paper. Everything feels right. But sometimes you just have to follow. You got, even if you don't know why.

Rachael Fahim: yeah, totally. And that piece of advice, I guess, could go into any aspect of your life, but I do see what you mean. As a female, like if I was to listen to my gut and say no to her, you know, a situation. I always get worried about the labels that would, could get thrown my way, like, oh, she's being a diva or like, oh, she's being this.

Or I'm like, can't I make a decision and not be named called, you know what I mean? 

Rae Leigh: Well, that's a good point. And I don't know if that is actually possible because you could be the most honestly you could be the most perfect person in the world. And even that will trigger people because you're too perfect. You know what I mean? So like the, there is. 

Well, this is kind of a mental health thing that I I've definitely looked into and, and I like to discuss, but the reality is you're never going to make everyone happy and you're whatever you present to the world is like a big mirror for most people as an artist.

And so. Whatever you present is going to, it's going to shine back and they're going to see the things that people are insecure about. And, you know, as we move, we're so insecure. And so we, we focus and we tend to focus on the things that were insecure about in other people. And so, you know, that, that those, no, that name calling will happen and it doesn't matter what you do it'll happen.

And so that's when it's like, well, actually, if that's going to happen, no matter what I do, then maybe you should. Follow your own gut and do what makes you feel good? 

Rachael Fahim: That's very true. I do like that.

Rae Leigh: Hmm. 

Rachael Fahim: That's food for thought. 

Rae Leigh: though. Yeah, it's it's yeah. It's, It's, a big Warren hole to go down. If you're worried about what other people think about you, especially in this industry.

Cause you know, everyone will let you know what they think of you. Um,

Rachael Fahim: got to have such a thick skin and like, I feel. I feel kind of thankful. Cause in high school I was given a hell of a time. Like I ended up leaving at the end of year 11 because I was just, I was just not diagnosed, but I was very depressed. Um, so you know, all the girls in high school that picked on me and, you know, would make me feel like absolute poop.

Um, have really, I guess, contributed to me having a fixed. Which is now exactly what I need to be in this industry. And, you know, I've been going through some really tough times lately. Um, and you know, my mom actually said to me, she was like, right. What I've noticed is every time something knocks you down, You spend like, you know, a couple of days, maybe max a week, really like mopey and sad, you know, you look upset, but then as soon as it's over and you've come to terms with it and you've let all the sadness out, it's just like you flick a switch and you come back stronger and better than ever.

I was like, thanks mom. But like, I feel like That's what you kind of need to be able to do in this industry. Like, you need to be able to bounce back and you need to be able to dwell in your sadness for a little bit and then be like, you know, I am not going to do this anymore. I'm 

going to push forward. 

Rae Leigh: Yeah.

Rachael Fahim: Yeah,

Rae Leigh: I brought a song about it. 

Rachael Fahim: exactly. 

Rae Leigh: Feel those emotions. It's, that's the gold that we need for our songs, but I think that's beautiful and it shows how resilient and strong you really are in those moments. You know, cause we all suffer and we all struggle. Um, and it, it takes a little courage and bravery to admit it and be aware of it and to actually deal with it rather than just suppressing it.

Um, and I'm really glad to hear that, you know, you actually allow yourself that space to process and yeah. And I'm sorry that you had such a hard time in high school. I, I mean, I, I can't, I can definitely relate. I did not have a great time in high 

Rachael Fahim: oh, I feel like everyone had, you know, kids are just nasty. I'm sorry to hear that for you too, but like my goodness kids are horrible. 

Rae Leigh: Well, they're, they're a reflection of what they have at home. Are they, I mean, I've got three kids and I'm so aware of it and it's like, wow. Like PR like even primary school or high school, it literally is just a like exacerbation of what is going on in society. And kids just want to mimic all the adults and what they see around.

And it just gets like, played out on a huge level and it's like, whoa. Yeah, that is what's going on in society. And now our children have to live with it in school. Some things are getting better. Um, but there's always something and it is learning to work with each other. And there's always going to be someone that rubbed you the wrong way.

And you just got to. Try your best and be kind and compassionate 

Rachael Fahim: exactly right. 

Rae Leigh: to yourself and other people which sometimes being compassionate to yourself is the hardest. What would you say is like the worst advice you've ever been given?

Rachael Fahim: Oh, yeah. The first thing that Springs to mind, it wasn't really a piece of advice. It was more just like, I was in a situation and, you know, I didn't, I didn't particularly want to do something. It was like a photo shoot and I didn't want to dress a certain way that this person was seeing me. It wasn't like inappropriate way. It was just like, not my vibe kind of photo shoot. And I said no. And the person who was running the photo shoot was like, you need to say yes more. You need to be a yes, no, I do not. Nope. Nope. Nope. 

Rae Leigh: That sounds like someone who's just frustrated. Yeah. You need to say yes, 

Rachael Fahim: Yeah. So I think, I don't know if they, if that was a piece of advice that they were trying, but I definitely did not take that on. And I'm not a yes girl 

Rae Leigh: Yeah. You're a, I follow my gut and do what feels right. Go 

Rachael Fahim: with the real patent here. Aren't we 

Rae Leigh: Yeah. No know. 

I'm glad to hear it. You sound like a very strong person and need, yeah, it's unfortunate, but you never know how resilient you can be and how strong you are until you have to be. Um, and that usually means that you don't get that confidence of knowing how strong you are until you've been through something where you have to be strong.

Rachael Fahim: Been through the rail for sure. 

Rae Leigh: Yeah. So know that it sucks, but well done 

Rachael Fahim: Thank you. 

Rae Leigh: talk, talking about kids and, um, high school and lots of stuff. If you could go back in time and give yourself a piece of advice, say when you're in high school, what would you say?

Rachael Fahim: Um, I would probably. Hm, that's another good question. You're stumping me today with all the good questions. Um, I think if I was to go back to myself in high school, I would probably tell myself to not focus on what other people are doing. And it's probably even a piece of advice that. I could still give myself now because It's so easy to get caught up in what everyone else is doing.

But, you know, I used to. You know, I used to look at what the other girls were wearing and I'd want what they had. And then I've used to, you know, I guess try and I used to try and be something that I wasn't possibly, I think looking back now, like in high school, you want to do is fit in. Um, and that's not really important. Like you just, 

I dunno, need to just be yourself. Yeah.

Rae Leigh: It's not important. Fitting is never been important. And yet we all desperately feel a feeling of belonging and having a sense of purpose and like you're needed and seen and validated everyone needs that. But to fit in, I mean, no one even really knows what that means. What, what are you fitting into?

You're not a, you're not a pig going into a hole. You know, 

you're a human being and we need. We need variety. We need diversity and we need people with different skills to survive in our society. And so, yeah, it is. It's funny because we all feel like that, you know, in primary school, high school, we want to feel normal.

Rachael Fahim: exactly. And it's so odd because you know, you leave school and then like, it doesn't matter anymore. And that's something my mom would always say to me, she would always be like, once you leave school, none of this will matter. And I'd be like, I understand.

Rae Leigh: Oh 

Rachael Fahim: But like, I think, I think that is really important.

Like when, if I was to go back and give myself a piece of advice, I think that's the most important thing. Like.

Rae Leigh: Hmm.

Rachael Fahim: Yeah, it's just 

Rae Leigh: like, hello, Rachel. It's Rachel from the future. I have some advice for you.

Rachael Fahim: mom, actually, mum, mom comes through with a lot of great advice and I'm sure this is something that a lot of other people say as well, but you can't put an old head on young shoulders. 

Rae Leigh: Oh, that is good advice. 

Rachael Fahim: That would, uh, that would be a constant piece of advice or it's not really advice. It would be thing. My mum would always say. 

Rae Leigh: It's a statement and that's, it's a good, it's a good thing. It's like some things just come with experience and that is a just fact of life. But, you know, I think especially as an older person, sometimes I wish, you know, you could put an older head on younger shoulders, but then they wouldn't be young with days.

Rachael Fahim: exactly. 

Rae Leigh: Yeah, just let, let people be where they are at when they're at that stage in their life, wherever it is, and just love them. That's all we can do. Just like we love babies. It's like we don't judge them for pooping in their nappies and sleeping all the time. Do we? We just love them for being babies.

Let's just love people that way.

Rachael Fahim: I love that. That's 

great.

Rae Leigh: Okay. Um, last particular question and what to do with your inspirations, if you could, co-write a song with anyone in the world living or dead, who would it be and why?

Rachael Fahim: This is a really interesting one because I love like older music. And it's really hard to choose between some of my old loves and my new loves, 

but I think I would have to say John Denver, 

I love John Denver. Um, and I think that's mainly just because my dad and I always listen to him together. So I feel like there's a, there's a little connection there.

Um, but I think he was just such a great artist and yeah. His songs just really spoke to me. And I just really love to just write with him. It wouldn't even have to be, it wouldn't have to be a song that we'd sing or release, you know, like it would just be really interesting to get an insight into how 

he did things. 

Rae Leigh: Yeah. Cool. And I think that's a really good way to go into it is just, I think I've been like learning a lot about just being around people who have similar mindsets and are successful in what they do and are positive and kind, and I'm like, I just want to be around those people and just absorb their like energy.

So that's really cool. 

Rachael Fahim: Yup. 

Rae Leigh: So, what have you got? You said you've got a single coming up. Have you got much else planned for this year that you can share with us?

Rachael Fahim: Um, well, apart from the single, not too much else has popped up. I'm working on a bit of a schedule 

for next year, at the 

moment.

Rae Leigh: Um,

Rachael Fahim: And 

Rae Leigh: bank being in locked down, it is hard 

Rachael Fahim: talking about it. Yes. I know. I hate bringing it up because like, it's just so annoying, but it is so hard to make any plans.

right now. And any gigs that I did have, I was supposed to have one at the beginning of this month, about a week and a half.

Ish. Um, it was in Sydney, it was a support spot for one of my friends and that got canceled. And any gigs that I've had in the next, maybe two months have 

also been canceled. So try not to dwell. 

Rae Leigh: are 

going down. 

Rachael Fahim: Yeah. 

Um, so at the moment, I'm really focusing on next year. So I've got a couple of things in the pipeline, um, like a few Festivals Um, I really want to try and hit the road and do my own tour. Um, cause I haven't done. Yeah. I haven't done a solo, a solo tour yet. Um, so hopefully 

that's something that I could

work on and get out, but at the moment, 

Rae Leigh: do that with a band or would you do it like, 

um, just acoustic? 

Rachael Fahim: I'd probably do it with my band. Um, get the band back together and hopefully we all remember the songs.

I'm also not paying them for so long. 

Rae Leigh: Yeah. 

Rachael Fahim: Yeah. At the moment though, just focusing on, um, just getting this next, single out and, um, you know, jumping in any room to write when I can, 

when it's 

Rae Leigh: Yep. Yeah. That's beautiful. Cool. So just keep writing and do your thing. Um, 

Rachael Fahim: on socials, 

trying to get that content out. 

Rae Leigh: Stay with us online, you know, I mean, do do something that's going to make you feel 

happy though, you know, and it's okay. Like there's, there really is no rush without, I'm a big believer that things always happen at the right time.

And if you were in my experience when I've forced things or I've really pushed things, um, No, no, it just doesn't. It's not that it doesn't work out. Sometimes it does, but it just, it always feels better when it just kind of flows. 

Rachael Fahim: Yes. 

Rae Leigh: Um, which is beautiful. Um, so is there anything else you would like to share?

You've got the floor. You've got the podcast. What would you like to say before we finish up?

Rachael Fahim: I feel like you've asked some really great questions and I've really enjoyed talking to you. So I feel like I don't have anything more to add. So thank you for having me. It's been a pleasure.

Rae Leigh: Well, thank you so much for coming on and sharing. I'm going to put the links to your social so we can keep up with that content and check out your new single, um, and so people can go and look at your music and we'll Chuck in some snippets of your singles as well. Um, In the podcast, so people can get a bit of a teaser, but uh, we'll encourage them to go and check you out and we'll keep following you and keep up to date with everything that you're doing and hope to see you live on that solo tour.

Um, very 

Rachael Fahim: Well, hopefully I can come visit you in Queensland when I do share that, when 

we're saying When 

Rae Leigh: Yeah. When you do 

I'll I'll come, I'll come support you. Absolutely. All right. Thank you, Rachel. 

Rachael Fahim: Thank you.

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